Refugio Gomez

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Interview with: Refugio Gomez
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Date: n/a
Archive Number: OH 272

RG: 00:02 And then we find whatever (unintelligible). You know, they were kids, you know.

I: They wouldn’t let you all swim?

RG: Uh-hunh (negative). They don’t let you all go into the swimming pool.

I: In Mason Park?

RG: No, they don’t allow us to go in Mason Park. Well, that’s why they built Savalas School because in this other school they didn’t want any Mexican-Americans going to this school.

I: Which school?

RG: 00:28 (unintelligible)

M: Burnett? Burnett—Burnett or Franklin?

RG: Franklin.

M: Franklin, I think it was.

RG: 00:35 (unintelligible-Spanish) stay there in (s/l Canard). He used to send his boys to the school and then they don’t want them over there, so eventually the school decided to build Savalas School. I already told you about going to Savalas School. There were several in that particular time. We had a hard time.

I: There was a lot of discrimination.

RG: 01:03 I had—when I had my first kids I had to work hard—you know—in order to raise those kids. That’s why my son—did I show you the picture of my son? Let me see if I’ve got it. No, they want you to give ten cents and let you go to the library. So he went to the library, and the next day he now was talking about it and decided that they wanted to start that day, the (s/l school) you know. They want to start the next day in the school.

I: Where did he go to school in—

RG: Jefferson Davis. He got in on Jefferson Davis.

I: He graduated—and then he went to California?

RG: He went to—he went to the army and later he said, “Daddy, I can’t stay in Texas. I want to stay in California.” Besides that, the man who was with him all the time over in Hawaii, he was from California. He said “His sister’s going to lend us a room, so I’m going to stay with my partner over there.” His partner was a painter. He was painting. So anyway, he said, “I’m going to stay there.” He went down there. He said, “Well, what are we going to do?” So when he wants—when he says he wants to go out there, I said, “Well, I guess you know that I know I’m not able to send you to college because I’ve got too many people to support, but if you take the advice you’ll do all right.” So he took the advice to go to the army, go back to the army and go back to California, and he stayed in a college.

I: But he wouldn’t come back to Texas? There was no—

RG: No, he didn’t come back to Texas. He stayed there all the time. So he go to college—you know—once in a while send me $15, send me $10 and little by little, you know. He needs money over there. He doesn’t have this 02:58 (unintelligible) and then after he graduated he went with a 03:04 (unintelligible). He got a big job there.

I: He just didn’t see any opportunity here in Texas?

RG: No, he didn’t see at that time an opportunity in Texas. He went over there to California. He married an Anglo, married—

I: Oh, he married an Anglo?

RG: He married an Anglo.

I: 03:27 Did you have anything to do with the Savalas School opening up or were you—do you remember when it opened, the Savalas School?

RG: Oh, no. No, that was—Savalas School was many, many years ago.

I: I see.

RG: When they built it—that school over there—because they didn’t want the kids—in that particular time, I didn’t live over there. I wasn’t even on Second Ward. But that—when they built the school, Savalas, because they wanted Mexican children to go to this other school, it was rough, that particular time. It’s sad, but it’s true. (s/l It’s in denial) because it was true. I was—worked as a salesman about ten years before I married this woman, and me and another fellow by the name (s/l Cholo) we were glad to know that our children—and I was running to Baytown and we were running over there in the city just selling everywhere, but I had my run over there to Baytown, and he had his run to Sugar Land. Well, one day my car broke down and every time the car broke down he was with me. We helped one another. So we went down there to Sugar Land pretty close to 12 o’clock. He finished collecting all his collections that he was supposed to do. Then he asked me, he says, “Are we going to take dinner here or are we going down to Houston?” “Oh, no. Let’s get dinner over here.” We went—down the highway there was a drive-in, so we stopped down there and we got to talking and we didn’t notice that we—they don’t want to give any services. Eventually, one car came around the side of our car and Cholo asked the young lady, he says, “Well, my dear lady, are we going to get any service?” And the girls says, “Well, I’m sorry, but I’ve got no orders to serve no Mexican-Americans. If you want served, you go back to the kitchen.”

I: What did you tell her?

RG: Well, she says, “I only work here so don’t blame me. I want to work here, that’s the orders that I’ve got.” Man, sure got that feeling at that time when they do something like that.

I: 05:50 When was that?

RG: Oh, it was way back. It was way back around ’35.

I: Thirty five?

RG: Yeah. So things came up after the second war, things came up 100% after the second war. That’s why the old people—you know—I was telling him about politics. They don’t want to register. They don’t want to vote. They say, “Oh, they don’t listen to us anyway.” But it’s sad to say, but it’s true. Our people in the state of Texas vote only 30% statewide, 70% don’t like to vote. It’s where I go—you know what I do? I go up to the neighborhoods, knocking doors, talking to the household. I tell them, “Are you registered?” I said, “If you’re a property owner, you’re supposed to have your voter certificate because that’s the only way you’re going to fight these bonds.” I said, “Do you know who pays the bonds?” “No.” I said, “Well, you’re the property owner because when one of these bonds goes by, your taxes increase the next year, so they give you the privilege to say yes or no.” You read in the papers where the money spent over there in River Oaks for that 07:13 (unintelligible) for that bond? You go down here, vote against it. If you think that money’s well spent, vote yes. But I did all those things the hard way, but thank God that I have learned. So I used to go down here at night with my book and some fellow says, “Oh, Mr. Gomez, you’re not supposed to sell that poll tax at night.” I said, “You know what they say. What they don’t see don’t hurt.” But here’s why—I just wanted the property owners to have the poll tax. I just tell them, “You are the only one’s going to pay part of these bonds. This is the only way to defend yourself.” If you think this money is well spent you can vote against. If you think this is right you can vote in favor. They give you the privilege, but if you don’t have a voter certificate, everybody down here have to do what other people decide. See what I mean? But then when you have the voter certificate you have the privilege that says, well, anyway, I lost but I voted. There’s a lot of things to do, a lot of work to do in that particular deal.

I: Mr. Gomez, did you experience discrimination in Houston? Wasn’t there—was there discrimination in Houston like in Sugar Land?

RG: 08:41 Well, it was almost the same, almost the same. You think Houstonians, they never did hire no Mexicans. They hired all the blacks and Anglos, Houstonians. After the second—after the second war they started hiring Mexican-Americans.

I: In Houston?

RG: Houston. So a lot of places, they don’t hire you. A lot of places, they don’t hire you, even my—I had Johnny over at the machinists, so he—he learned—we changed jobs the hard way, and he’d go down there in his shop and work. About two years in it he went and applied to a different company. They don’t hire him. Now, he works with Reed, Reed Company, makes many dollars an hour. So—but, he says, “Well, they don’t want me around here. I’ll apply somewhere else.” But now, it seems a big change. After this old generation gone, the next generation ought to be better. Anyway, because it’s like if they going to go, the government wants us to live just like one nation under god, liberty and justice for all. A lot of people don’t understand that. But anyway, that’s why they want these children back in the schools. That’s why they want this integration in the schools, so the people get together, live together with the other people, just like we used to live in New Mexico. In New Mexico there was no discrimination. When I went to school there, there were Indians, Anglos and the Mexican-Americans.

I: But it was different here in Houston? I mean—

RG: Yeah, different in Texas.

I: In Texas.

RG: In Texas. You know, after you left Texas, you go in these other states, oh, they treat you nice. When I went to the sugar beets I find a lot of difference. Those people, they were very nice. Of course—you know—the way that you treat people, that’s the way that they’re going to treat you. If you treat people right, well, they’re going to treat you right. But down here, it was rough anyway. There was no—

M: 11:04 (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: Sugar beets.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible-Spanish) Michigan. You know, those people in Michigan, they don’t work sugar beets because they’re all working in the factories. So they used to hire people from far. They’d take them in a train. So they get a train full of people, they take them over there, they put you in one place, and another place and another place and another place, and then they plant the sugar beets, and they have to leave them 18 inches apart because that thing grows—you know, they get 14 tons out of one acre? They make sugar out of that, sugar beets. The sugar beet grows that much, so that’s why wanted 18 inches apart.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: Huh?

M: (unintelligible)

RG: (unintelligible) I went in ’27 and ’28.

I: 12:05 In ’27 and ’28?

RG: Yeah.

I: Why did you go? To make money?

RG: Well, I heard there was no job here, and they said, well—one of my partners says—why don’t we go to the sugar beets? Everybody go, why don’t we go? I said, “Yeah, I’ll go.” So I went by myself the first year. The second year I take my wife. I only had my (s/l Arthur), little baby, you know. So I took him one year, and then when I left Arthur up there I moved to Detroit, Michigan. Then my wife said, “No.” She said, “We’re going to have to go back to Texas awhile because I’ve only got my mother and I’m too far from her. Maybe she dies and I don’t see her.” She said, “You see why we have to go back?” I can’t deny that—you know—because she wants to stay close to her mother. As long as she—she didn’t have no father, so I said “Yeah, we can go.” So we came back to Houston.

M: 13:13 During the second war?

RG: Yeah, second war. We came back during the second war again because I can’t deny that for my wife—you know—to be close to her mother because she only had her mother, says “After my mother dies, well, we can go anywhere.”

M: In 1927, ’28?

RG: Yeah.

M: In ’28, ’29 and that’s when the Depression started.

RG: Then there was the Depression started.

M: Did you go to the movies downtown? Did you all—did they let you go to the movies downtown, like (unintelligible-Spanish)?

RG: Well, I really didn’t like to go to the movies over there because we had Spanish movies and all that on Congress, Spanish movies over there on Congress with—we always like to go to Spanish movies.

I: 14:00 You meant—

RG: Right now I don’t like to go to these other movies. I already go to these—

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: We’ve got a lot of—

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible) yeah.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible-Spanish) 14:23 that man, that drug store, that involved—and one in the grocery store and one truck of medicine and leave all that stolen medicine. So they caught this guy who stole this truck, put him in the jail and they find this drug man, and he hadn’t yet got out of the city. They told him, “We’re not going to put you in jail, but we don’t want you no more in Houston.” So he had to leave.

I: Who was that? What was his name, Carnales?

RG: No, I can’t remember the name of this guy who had the drug store there.

I: Guadelupana (?) that was the name?

RG: Guadelupana, yeah. Guadelupana Drug Store. But he bought some stolen property. They caught this boy who stole the truck and sold this property, so they went and got this property out of the drug store, told him “We got to go.” So he had to leave from Houston.

M: And then it closed down.

I: It closed down?

RG: Yeah, they closed the whole business up.

M: They ran him out of town.

RG: Ran him out of town. There was—

I: When was that? That in the 30’s or 40’s?

RG: Yeah, around 30’s, around 30’s. They ran him out. So now everything we—there are no more. There are no more businesses in that area, in that particular area. There aren’t any more businesses there.

M: 15:53 Nobody opened it up? Nobody kept it open after—

RG: No, Macholo (?), my partner, opened up a furniture business there, and he got killed about three years ago over there because they knew he would come over there and they stabbed him.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish) Macholo Furniture.

RG: Yeah, Macholo Furniture. The Negro killed him over there early in the morning. He went down there and opened the place, and he didn’t have the money anyway because his boy came back later on. So when they asked for him for the money he said “I ain’t got no money.” So he tried to fight with them but he stabbed him, killed him.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish) Alamo Furniture—

RG: Yeah, there used to be Alamo Furniture there. I used to work with Alamo too.

M: You used to work for him?

RG: Yeah, I used to work with Alamo.

I: Who owned the Alamo Furniture store?

RG: It was Francisco Hernandez, Francisco Hernandez, and there were a bunch of salesman. He had a bunch of salesman but one time he told his—“Well, I want everybody over here tonight. You don’t have to go home. We’re going to give you supper, all right?” So there was sort of a cooler thing, you know? He didn’t even offer a damn cold soda water. So when we heard—I heard that he said he was going to have supper there, I said, “Are you going to die or something?” He said “What do you mean I’m going to die?” I said, “Well, because you never even offered—not even a damn Coca-Cola.” You know, when I worked with Torres—Torres used to handle those sewing machines, Singer sewing machines—every Saturday we’d go for supper somewhere else. He’d say, “Don’t go home boys. We’ll go down there and eat supper.” Every Saturday, but this Hernandez, he was so tight that we never did get even a damn Coke. So when he says they want to give us supper, I said something’s going on here. So he got everybody together. He said, “Well, boys, the company’s going to buy a new truck, but if this truck goes one block you’ll all have to pay one dollar for the hauling. I said, “Well, I’m going to Baytown. How much you going to charge me for hauling this stuff to Baytown?” That was one dollar down here in Houston. They’d take the dollar out of your commission, so in other words, we’re going—the salesman’s going to buy the truck for him. So everybody left him, so I said, “Well, you can start checking my accounts tomorrow.” So he said, “No, I don’t try to run nobody.” I said, “Well, I don’t like your deal. I want you to go with me tomorrow and check all these accounts because I’m going to keep—and I’m going to work on a civil defense. I went to Hitchcock. I used to have a—I had an automobile at that time because I didn’t work without one every day. So I paid some people down at—to Hitchcock, who were building new apartment—they’re going to build a lot of apartments over there. So we made about $40 a week. We used to work ten hours with the labor. I made about $27 with my—we’re always in good shape, but anyway—you know—I had—my wife had three children and I had—she had four and I had three. There were seven, me and her was nine. So I was doing pretty good then after that.

I: 19:42 Did Mr. Hernandez pay very well? When you worked—

RG: No. You know, sometimes we’d go 27th—furniture for people and we just go down there and say “Yeah,” for example, “next 20 I’m going to go down there and get my furniture.” “Okay.” “Well, I’ll give you my card.” When you go down there and say “Mr. Gomez around here?” “No, he’s not in here. He went to Big Town. Do you need anything?” He’d say “Yes.” “Oh, when he returns we’ll tell you. We’ll tell him that you came,” and we don’t even get the damn account. We lost the commission of that sale, and we don’t even get the account. There was that much done with that, you know? So you put up some time talking with the people, you make the trips—

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: No, he died already.

M: He died?

RG: 20:36 He’s dead already. So he had to sell—of course, everybody leaves, all the salesman. We leave him by himself so he cannot run the business by himself because every salesman making business for him.

I: What years were this, 30’s, 40’s?

RG: Thirty four, ’34, ’35.

I: I see.

RG: So after that I just quit.

I: He have pretty good business or not?

RG: Oh yeah. He had about ten salesmen and everybody sell, everybody sells.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: You know Congress? Congress?

M: (unintelligible-Spanish) Magnolia.

RG: No, (unintelligible-Spanish). They all—we’re selling everywhere.

M: But the majority of the Mexican-Americans—

RG: Yeah, the majority was in Magnolia in the second war and we used to get—when we sold three sewing machines he’d pay us $25 for three machines. If I had two and my partner has one, we divided, you know. He’d give me that sale, and I reported three. When he has two and I had one I just do the same thing. We work together—me and him—all the time. So $25 in that particular time, that was good money.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible-Spanish) The doctor. I don’t know what happened—

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: 22:16 No, that was way back, many years ago. I wonder what—I don’t know where the people went to. I understand the doctor went to Mexico, the lady doctor.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: Yeah. Yeah, she was a very smart girl.

I: Who is this?

M: Mrs. Calvasso’s (?) daughter.

RG: She was a very smart girl. He said he used to—she’s the one building that building. He used to have a store there.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible-Spanish) She used to make some (s/l bakery) and she had a store there. Now, he says pretty good business.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible-Spanish) way back then in those years.

M: As I remember—

RG: I thought Dr. Calvasso went to Mexico for a while.

M: She might—no, she was studying in Columbus—Columbia. Columbia?

RG: Columbia University?

M: Columbia University.

RG: 23:25 After the old man and the old lady died I don’t know what happened with that doctor, pretty hard time, but now everything changes. Everything changes, so now we live like we’re supposed to live, working together. So I want you to speak pretty close to Mr. Tim Bandala (?). We’re going to work together, all of us—you know—with him.

I: I will.

RG: He’s a really nice person. He’s a very nice person. You know, if it wasn’t for him, this (s/l party never did accomplish) but when I went over there and talked with some of the society members, and I took that picture with me. See that picture? I said, “This project’s going to give a big name to Goliad, Texas and everybody’s going to be proud.” So that’s when I met Tim Bandala. Tim Bandala grabbed this program right away and turned that man into 24:30 (unintelligible). It was pretty bad for me. I had in mind to do this. I had in mind to go and see 24:37 (unintelligible) and all those big artists in Mexico and give a big performance down here in Houston in order to raise money and go and give another big performance in San Antonio, in Dallas, to raise money to get this statue over here. But thank God that governor donated to the state. Now the state had to put up the money, so of course—you know—first we thought that—I sent some letters to the state representatives, requested their support for this project, but after the Governor Clements jumped in there, all these petitions that we put in to the commissioners, they were supported by the governor. So we didn’t have much trouble to get the money from the state because there was—the—both governors were involved, Briscoe and Clements. They’re all involved in this thing because when we started this program there was a Dolph Briscoe. He was the governor.

I: And he supported it too?

RG: Oh, yeah. He supported it too. Those (s/l governors in the war) they didn’t do nothing. They just went to you to die to get the thousand dollar policies. They didn’t work. They don’t have anybody.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: That’s the insurance, yeah. That’s insurance.

I: 26:09 It’s not fraternal like the mutual aid societies.

RG: No, they don’t work like mutualistas. They don’t work—

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

RG: (unintelligible-Spanish) In that particular time, there were a lot of Mexican-Americans joining the Woodmen of the World, but now the Woodmen of the World seems to me they’re going down, down, down. They don’t have any activities. They’ve got nothing. They just pay and they deal with a dream that they’re going to get buried when they die. That’s all. They don’t benefit anybody. They don’t give anybody anything. You know, these mutualistas, for example, when we had these big storms in Mexico, we used to send $100, $200. They send money all the time when something’s going on over there in Mexico or other countries. They donate so much of the money from the firm, try to help the other people. They always do. They always do that when some of these countries have big storms over there. They send money too.

I: How much were dues when you first started there?

RG: We used to pay five cents and one time one of these woodmen’s (unintelligible-Spanish) he left the mutualistas member. We were just paying five cents a week. But anyway, this thing would build up and build up some more. Then they make dances, they make suppers, tamales and all of that and then increase, increase, increase. So one time they put that benefit right at $500. Some of the old members got $500 but later on they dismissed that 28:13 (unintelligible). Now some of them get to go to 50 when they die. So one time—you know—when there was—the mutualista was way high in money and everything, some of the guys “Well, we’re going to buy at $500.” One time one of the members said “That member, they died pretty fast. We’re going to take all the money.” I said, “Well, why don’t you die too?” About a year later he died too.

I: So he didn’t get it.

RG: If I get a million dollars, what’s it going to do to me, a million dollars—

I: 28:56 If you’re dead.

RG: You don’t get nothing.

M: (unintelligible-Spanish)

I: Did you ever—did the mutual aid society, did you all ever do any political things at all?

RG: No. No, they don’t allow any political—discuss political things or religions in there. Everybody can go in, but it ain’t got nothing to do with politics and religion. Of course—you know—most of the people, they’re all Catholics. Most of the people—

I: What about politically? What were they?

RG: They don’t discuss any political things.

I: But were they—did you know the people to be political at all? I mean, did you know what their politics were?

RG: Oh, yes. They were all—you know—they invited—they invited—when they integrated building they invited Mandreas (?) to cut the ribbon over there because we all knew Mandreas. Everybody knows Mandreas and the (unintelligible) they know. Manuela (?) had worked with him for years.

I: Were you involved with Passo (?) ?

RG: Well, I’ve been involved with Passo ever since 1960. I’m a charter member of Passo, so I’ve been working with them—you know—I’m the only old man in the bunch, nothing but young people.

I: In Passo?

RG: In Passo now. But—you know—we’ve got lawyers and everything in there. But—you know—those young people, they don’t beat this old man.

I: 31:23 Were you in the—

RG: (unintelligible) now that (s/l red poll) registration drive.

I: Were you into civic action? (tape ends 31:29)

RG: (new tape begins 00:03) —in there. You remember? They don’t want these nine—

I: The rear portion.

RG: Yeah. They don’t want him, so actually we call him and went all the way to Washington to find that out. They just 00:19 (s/l can’t do it). The first (s/l congressman) said no. You better go this way because you know and I know that, well, he’s the chairman of the commerce in Houston. So all we can do is do what the world says. He (s/l like handles like a little monkey). So that’s why I didn’t like the way they voted, the Passo, and support the (s/l congress).

I: And you didn’t support—

RG: I didn’t support—I didn’t want to work. That’s one of the times that I didn’t work in politics. Most of the time I’d go on the microphone or in the polls. I worked in the polls talking to the people that are coming in there, and they used to put me in the truck with the microphone all day long. When President Carter got elected they sent me to Pasadena because the labor, the 01:18 (unintelligible) they had somebody speaking Spanish. They said, “Yeah, we’ve got one over here. We’ll send him over here.” They sent me to south Houston in Pasadena. I worked all day long over there, hard, getting people to come to vote and thank God that we’ve got Mr. Carter now. (s/l Now in all these times.) Everything we changed. You know, some people they—I don’t like the double-crosser. I call myself a Democratic heart. You know, I belong to that President Club. I send my—every month $25 to the Democratic Party. I donate my money to them because I believe in the Democratic way of—

I: How long have you been a Democrat?

RG: 02:09 Well, I think all my life. I intend to—I now have my intentions to do like Mr. Connally. You know, Connally used to—when we had him as a governor still in Texas, he was a Democrat, then he jumped to the Republican Party. So he’s a double-crosser.

M: You think—do you think that the Democratic Party takes the (s/l Chicanos) for granted just like the Catholic church takes the (s/l Chicanos) for granted, that they, (the Chicanos), they’re going to be (unintelligible) or that they’re all about that they’re going to go Democrat and really not do anything for it?

RG: Well, the Democratic Party represents the minority group. The Republican Party represents the dollar. We’re not going to deny that because that’s the truth. So I believe that what we need in our people are more educated people to get the jobs. For example, look at the money and time that I put in in my community. Look at the money that I try to work—but I just can’t get any job myself because I’m not prepared for it, and I don’t have any intention to apply at any big job because my education doesn’t go that high. But anyway, my greatest desire is to put the Mexican-Americans where we’re supposed to be. But somebody—they have to—somebody do that because we don’t have to—I believe that we don’t have to get out with our own effort because the Anglos, they work for themselves. The blacks, they work for themselves. Who wants to work for the Mexican? They’d have to be some crazy guy like Mr. Gomez that put in the time and money for that dream to put the Mexican-American—

I: How far did you go in school, Mr. Gomez?

RG: Eighth grade. It ain’t nothing. It ain’t very much. Now, it ain’t very much now. Of course—you know—I speak Spanish and English and everything. I spoke on the radio in Spanish. You can tell my little English, it’s not too good.

I: Better than my Spanish, I’ll tell you.

RG: So when I went to Puebla with my group as the chairman of this (s/l Santa Rosa) society, I had an obligation to speak—to tell the governor and tell the mayor of Puebla to be so kind enough to ask for—we went to Mexico City. There was a band waiting for the group. We went into Puebla. Puebla’s about 45 miles away from Mexico City. So they put us in a hotel. The next day they came up and gave us breakfast then. Then we meet the governor. 05:18 After that, the ceremony’s supposed to start at 12 o’clock. I said, “What do we do now?” We were there when they gave the honor to me and Gonzalez to put the flowers on the grave of the General Sarossa (?). It’s a great honor for me and after that they took us to another museum. Then we went to the governor’s house with a whole bunch of 80 people because that’s a holiday. September the 8th is when Sarossa died, so they made it a state holiday so nobody worked. In city hall and the federal office nobody worked that day. So there was a whole group of 80 people, so when we went into the governor’s house we had a big banquet. I mean, we had tables longer—twice—as long as this room here, the whole house. So my obligation as the chairman, I had to thank the governor and mayor of that city for being so kind with us. That’s when I told them that I belonged to this (s/l Santa Rosa) society for many years, and I go to Goliad. Every Cinco de Mayo they make a little celebration there. So I said—I went to Monterrey and I see this statue there. This is the statue that’s in Monterrey. And I said to myself “What did we—the Mexican-Americans who live on the other side of the bridge—we don’t have a statue such as this so we need one who deserves honor.” Then the governor of Puebla got up and said “Gentleman, right now I’m going to order the architect to start building this statue so you can have it in Goliad.” I think a lot of pesos. So after that, of course, then he made this—donated that right to the state, like that paper you’ve got there. So it helped me a lot, you know. Of course—you know—these days, I’m going to be honest with you. This thing is not for me because I’m too far gone but for the future generations to come. Everything we do now, it’s for the future generations to come. It’s like I told my people over there in (s/l Sesaria). For example, this 24% of the—we’re going to build in 07:57 (unintelligible) there. They’re not going to be for me. I hope I don’t die before I see it there, you know? But it’ll be for the future generations to come. Everything we have, we leave it for the future generations. (tape ends 08:13)